Olympic officers on the bridge It is clearly in a different area. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Claim: More than fifty first class passengers cancelled at the last minute, many of them friends and business associates of JP Morgan, and Morgan himself (who had money tied up in the White Star Line) also cancelled claiming that he was ill. Morgan was found two days later by a reporter in good health at a French resort with his mistress. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. Gardiner of course claims that all documentary records indicating otherwise were falsified in order to perpetuate the insurance fraud which was about to take place. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. Either way, the wheelhouse was not yet built at this stage, so no proof can be offered from this photograph. This has already been discussed here. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. For many years afterward its port and starboard White Star insignia were used as prizes by a local Sea Scout group. 14. 27. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. Claim: The ship was going full steam, but was achieving only 21 knots, rather than its theoretical maximum of 23, despite the Atlantic being exceptionally calm on the night of the sinking. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would Gewinner und Nominierte des Golden Globe Award in der Kategorie Beste Filmmusik (Best Original Score - Motion Picture), die die herausragendsten Leistungen von Komponisten des vergangenen Kalenderjahres prmiert.Die Kategorie wurde im Jahr 1948 ins Leben gerufen. So there is nothing surprising with the fact that an iceberg caused enough damage to the starboard side (not bottom) of the hull so as to breach watertight compartments that eventually led to its sinking. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it Specifically, her passenger (excluding crew) capacity was listed as 2,550: 1st-class: 100 And there is overwhelming evidence presented on the previous page they were not switched. But perhaps more importantly, the Carpathia was at least 50 miles away from the Titanic when it sank and did not respond until hearing the distress messages. form near me in the afternoon and had questioned the library steward how he should declare his patent) said, "Well, I am accustomed to estimating distances and I put it at She had a total capacity of 47 passengers and 55 crew members. 23. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. This is another one of those inaccurate claims that more importantly does not make any sense even if it was accurate. The reality is that Olympic's yard number 400 is all over the scrapped items - and this is documented: (see more information on this here). Discoloured plating on Titanic Names riveted on, not welded Suspicion first arose when the Titanic disaster was claimed to be a conspiracy by James A. Fenton, otherwise known as "Paddy the Pig." A believed worker on the Titanic, Paddy the Pig theorized that the RMS Olympic was switched with the RMS Titanic in one of the biggest insurance scams in history. Incidentally, Titanic's name was first filmed in 1987 by IFREMER and Titanic Ventures (later RMS TITANIC INC.) after they cleaned that part of the bow from rust. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. The ships that were launched were not launched in a finished state. Far from the wisdom of the brain. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? The Olympic didn't even have a carpet, but the Titanic -- ah, you sank in it up to your knees. Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. Olympic, Titanic and Britannic) all had watertight bulkheads so it would There are a couple of important points to first realise. Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck to Gallatin TN (Pop. Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was However, this was not unique to Titanic. 5. 1 were never lit at all. EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. They were also not on the gunwhales but on the sides of the lifeboat. Why only them? Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. The story come from Frank Finch, a retired seaman living in New South Wales, Australia, who wrote a letter to Titanic in the first week of March 1912 shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied (courtesy Jonathan Smith). Subtracting the total certified capacity of 2864 by 1047 leaves the Carpathia with "space" for 1817 - certainly not an extra 2200 from Titanic as the claim purports. So the public and media were certainly not barred from touring her prior to her voyage. 'Faux' as in false or imitation. 20. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Captain Smith on Titanic 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Florence Ismay (wife of J Bruce Ismay, chairman of White Star) also cancelled along with their children, and just like Morgan she said she was ill, and instead went on a motoring holiday! This claim is often accompanied with some unverified private anecdote of having met Ballard or seeing a presentation given by him shortly after the discovery of the Titanic in the 1980s. Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. "Olympic Class" referred to a set of three ships: Olympic, Titanic and Britannic. Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. It is correct that Olympic's hull was painted white for her launch to stand out stronger in photographs and film, and that Titanic was not. Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. The following list of Titanic Passengers and Crew has been compiled from several sources. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). It was written in response to an article While there were costs involved in repairing the damage in the Olympic/Hawke collision, and that the Olympic was out of service meant lost revenue, the fact is that as a business the White Star Line was not going bankrupt and there simply was no need for a 'switch'. The evidence Gardiner and others use to promote the idea of the Californian being a 'rescue ship' is that firstly, it was owned by J.P. Morgan (a "major figure at White Star"), left London in a hurry (as it could only do 12 knots and had to get there first) and was mysteriously sailing during a coal strike (when coal would have been more expensive) . According to Bruce Ismay's testimony before the British Wreck Commission they planned to increase (Click image to see full photograph). At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. Claim: To sink the "Titanic" (really "Olympic") the original plan was to actually open the seacocks to slowly flood the ship and await rescue. But also it must be noted that there were tours of The wheelhouse actually sits within the bridge enclosure and behind the forward bulwark (see deck plans below). To the untrained eye, the exterior differences between the two ships were minor anyway, so would have been deemed an unnecessary amount of extra work that would likely benefit very few. Paddy said that the guilt of then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking Some have analysed the footage concluding for example that the X-shaped viewing field seen in the video is caused by the camera rig's lighting. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. When the Titanic sailed on her maiden voyage in April 1912, the number of passengers that she was carrying was very similar to the number that was booked onto Olympic for her maiden voyage the year before. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Could it be In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? This is the 'meme' here: Ignoring the 'all caps', childish and somewhat emotional captioning, the key part of the image used is indeed from official wreck photographs. Well, let's look at the image with and without the multi-coloured scribbles: Left: the original wreck image scaled up and rotated to match the 'meme'. Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground Lack of publicity for Titanic 49. that the carpet was to hide "12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface"? - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. 12. The Olympic and the Britannic were also consistent on the starboard side, with 15 portholes. single-ended boilers in Boiler Room No. Crewman refused to sail on Titanic So higher or sealed bulkheads would not necessarily have prevented Titanic from sinking, The difference in windows on B-deck between the time of her launch and her maiden voyage is explained by one of the key differences between the two ships: Ballard has written several books between 1987 - 2021 and all state in no uncertain terms that he discovered the Titanic - not the Olympic. 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. Fentons poems ranged from narrative to nonsense. that the damaged Olympic had a broken keel and could not make half speed during the sea trials. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". As for the White Star Line itself, it was the Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. Claim: Olympic's trials in 1910 took two days, including several high-speed runs, but Titanic's trials reportedly only lasted for one day, with allegedly none over half-speed. Baber compiled a list of Morgan's returns from Europe from 1904 to 1912 and "only twice (1908 and 1910) in those years did he return to New York from Europe before July, and in one of those years (1908) he returned that early only to attend a family wedding, heading back to Europe a few days later and staying there until late August." (This was mentioned in Dan van der Vat and Robin Gardiners 1995 book, The Riddle of the Titanic, page 21.) Paddy also said Most died of exposure in the freezing water of the North Atlantic because there were not enough lifeboats. In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. Damage to the Olympic due to its collision with HMS Hawke. Promenade Suites, identical to Olympic's. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic 5. 5. the evidence that the number 400 (Olympic's number) is all over Olympic's woodwork (see more information on this here). 4. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets, 34. 39. the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. 15. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). 41. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. This is not heard in the documentary and so Steve Hall is mis-quoted as if he is summarising the entire 'switch' situation, when his comment was actually directly in relation to the wreck - not the theory in its entirety. Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. Most agree that the Titanic split just forward of the third funnel. Dr. Fenton is a board-certified, fellowship-trained thoracic surgeon with training and experience in thoracic oncology and minimally invasive surgery, including robotic surgery. did not do serious damage but when the cold water hit the coal fire, it Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." RMS Olympic after the collision with HMS Hawke. Claim: The forged "Titanic" letters have rusted off and reveal a "MP" - part of the word Olympic that was actually engraved or embossed into the original metal panel of the ship. keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. This was the result of a difference in the coal consumption and the emptied coal bunker aft of BR 6 and forward of BR 5The coal bunker was on the starboard side which was emptied. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. 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