CARBINE / CAL. *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. It is in about Good condition. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. two Ordnance rebuild P's. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. during the time the carbines were manufactured. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. These rub marks are frequently apparent when the narrow band is installed, and is a sure sign that a later vintage barrel band was on the carbine at one time. Saginaw or Saginaw'. The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. No one, so far, at CMP has ID'ed it yet. of 0.3. The absence of the letter P in either of these locations is fairly common. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. If inventory ran out it could shut down production. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. There is no bayonet lug. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. The trigger group is marked IP on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. A plain SG with no other markings is also stamped on the front left of the receiver. standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. Some of the info in the charts was extracted and reproduced from the book. Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. These marking(s) and their location(s) varied based on needs and/or intent. That S/N is a Saginaw Grand Rapids number. Good luck. Therefore, if any other carbine has this type of barrel band, it is not all original. When the narrow L type non-adjustable rear sights were replaced by the adjustable variety during overhaul, the later types were generally staked into place by punch pricks on both sides of the sight base. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. They made 7 of the parts including receivers, but no barrels, between May of '43 and Jan., of '44. 3?7XXXX ? In all, more than 6.5 million M1 Carbines were produced between September 1941 and August 1945, making it one of the most prolific arms of World War II. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. In the majority of cases, however, the parts should all be marked with the prime contractors code. The rifle comes with a green canvas sling. Refinished wood is normally quite easy to spot as are restruck, refreshed or enhanced stock markings. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. Lighter colored wood such as birch was often stained darker before being finished. Grand Rapids, Michigan, Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. organized, dont tell you a lot about what youre buying, and leave you on your Anticipated shortages led to the use of yellow birch. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. and appears to have come later. On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. Earlier stocks sometimes had their High Wood area removed. Doing so may alter Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. Saginaw (S.G.)-Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G."-Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan.-Average Cost to Government per completed rifle, $38.00 The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary Keep in mind, U.S. Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. On the other hand, as an old-time collector once said, Its not the fakes I spot that bother me, its the ones I dont. Copyright 2012-document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Product Information & Specs. $145.00 ea. A few manufacturers used some serial number blocks out of order. I'm sure it's not all original. The Type IA barrel band is marked KV-SG which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 59). A few very late stocks used with the M2 carbine are characterized by a very prominent bulge on the bottom of the forend. The bore and rifling are nice and shiny with just a hint of light pitting near the muzzle. Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. Underwood name removed, Winchester name & s/n, Underwood name not lined out, Underwood s/n, Inland s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, Inland s/n'd receivers from SI subcontract sent to Underwood, Inland s/n'd receivers from SG subcontract sent to Underwood, Irwin Pedersen s/n'd receivers sent to Underwood, Underwood s/n'd receivers sent to National Postal Meter, IBM s/n'd receivers from AO subcontract sent to National Postal Meter, IBM duplicated some of s/n's they assigned to AO, Overrun into unassigned s/n block & Winchester s/n's, Machine error duplicating Winchester s/n's. Serial number blocks were assigned by the Ordnance Department on an as needed basis, generally in response to the awarding of a contract to a given manufacturer. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre If, after a detailed inspection, the M1 carbine appears to be as purported, and is priced reasonably, it is probably a good purchase. The bottom of the grip is marked with a circled P proof. / GENERAL MOTORS / 1-44 and P. American Black Walnut had a long history of Should you have any questions regarding markings, members of our forum are the best source for answers. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Caliber: .30 Carbine. There are four basic types of markings which may or may not be found on the U.S. Carbine stocks. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. due to a lack of original documentation. marked: JM, Amco, MMQ,J.M.Q. This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. I have a high wood Rockola on my early IP. their historical value. Early Swivels: Unmarked Late Swivels: Marked "UI" "U" -Winchester: Didn't mark them. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. I'm sure it's not all original. The carbines used for this purpose were not from inventory submitted to or accepted by the government. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. Get a heads up on all of our Sales, Promotions, and news updates (about 1 email per month). The magazine is marked I-P-K upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. Yellow Birch heartwood tends to be a light reddish brown, with nearly white sapwood. After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select been observed but are uncommon. During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines here: Serial number blocks assigned by the government. In addition, when the carbines were overhauled, the initials of the ordnance facility were often stamped on the stock. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. None of the carbines produced by Irwin-Pedersen (IP) were accepted by Ordnance. Simi Valley, CA 93065. What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? All matching even the trigger group. Instead of buying a gun thats My Saginaw serial 332xxxx also doesn't have any dots, just SAGINAW SG. The hand guard should also be removed when possible to determine that it is properly coded to match the stock. To get better and faster responses and opinions. There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. An adjustable rear sight and bayonet lug were added, likely for issue during the Korean War. You certain the receiver is S'G'? Serial numbered receivers that failed to pass inspection were set aside as rejects if the defect(s) could not be brought up to minimum standards. All Rights Reserved. author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. annual growth rings, giving Birch a somewhat dull, uniform appearance. Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. The only firms that made their own barrels were Inland, Winchester, Underwood, Rock Ola and IBM. This rareIrwin-PedersenM1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. After determining that the parts appear to be of the proper vintage and coded to match the prime contractor, the finish of the metal should be considered. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. We would like to encourage you to share information you may have that will help reconstruct what was actually done versus planned. departments within Inland over the years of production. There are some exceptions to this rule as several prime contractors are known to have utilized parts made for other prime contractors. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. Refer to the page on Post World War II Activities for a list of the markings and further information. Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. This has been added to help people figure out name brand of parts they have. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. There were 5 basic stock styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. The Type IA barrel band is marked UP which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 59). After WWII Birch became much more common. Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. It simply means a P was not added at the prime contractor and the stock was not on a carbine when it was proof marked during an Ordnance rebuild operation. Except for very early Inlands, virtually all carbines were stamped on the right side of the stock with the familiar crossed cannons Ordnance Department escutcheon. I have a Saginaw SG 3.22 million range. Some were sequential but many were not. Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. The bore shows an M.E. If a Saginaw S'G' strip it down to see if it has any IP Irwin Peterson parts, could be a transitional carbine. During the course of production of the Type III stock for the M1 Carbine several manufacturers began making changes I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return , That's a beauty! That's a beauty! 30 M1. and the top rear is marked SAGINAW SG / 3289121. A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with Most of the markings are deep. There is a difference. Most of these marks are light or small. Make:Saginaw SG. This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. CARBINE / CAL. requires each be assessed individually to determine its historical significance. Barrel Date: September, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. 4 1/16" (approx.) There has to be either a period or apostrophe after each letter of the SG on the receiver heel. During the production of their type III stocks in 1945 Winchester changed The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. The right side of the receiver and the bolt light thinning from cycling. It is in great shape. The front sight is marked 6 on the left and N on the top which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and others (page 56). The letter X preceding the serial number There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. Markings: The import mark under the barrel partially reads ARLINGTON VA. Resulting in the change of the design to the type V stock. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. Heck I should take some photos later. Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. be complicated. It is this My S' G' is serial number 1991044 and does not fit within any of the serial number ranges listed. SOLD - Factory Chrome Walther PPK - Rare. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. Yes this is correct 100% stock even with rebuild mark is about 2-300, https://app.photobucket.com/u/SupraR0-39ecec2fbcbc. Most of the markings are deep. Normally, sanded and refinished wood is quite easy to spot. Stocks made of There is a P stamp where it should be. The bolt is marked SG on the right lug which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 36). your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up -Saginaw (S.G.): Marked Right Side: "PO" "SG" -No other contractor made these -Type III (Post War) -Could be marked: "SA" "RIA" "P" "R" -Bolts -Type I (Flat Bolt) -Inland: Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. Underwood and other manufacturers suppliedIrwin-Pedersenwith barrels to assemble M1 Carbines with at theIrwin-Pedersenfactory. It looks good and has a strong bright bore. It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. marked: AI,SI, JI,or KI(INLAND) M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (bayonet lug) Used G.I. To strengthen the stock where the bridge had previously been located the wood of the type V Is it SAGINAW S.G. or SAGINAW S'G'? The bore is mint. With World War 2 M1 sling. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. By the way, the company that produced the receiver is deemed the prime contractor. It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. They are a specialty that with Inlands war effort. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. We'rebringing a level of barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top) It's the first I've seen. Most of our products are unique. The gun comes with one period-correct magazine. I have one, 1776xxx. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. except stock which is Inland 1943. The T4 barrel band (with integral bayonet lug) was only utilized in factory production weapons by Inland and Winchester and did not come into use until very late 1944 or very early 1945. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Think of each serial number block as a separate contract. 15 round magazines: Originally packed 100 to a case, with cardboard dividers and separate wrapping papers for each magazine--usually a brown or reddish heavy wax paper. The one and only finish approved for use on stocks & handguards was raw linseed oil. The Grand Rapids facility stopped carbine production on 01 Jan 1944 but continued to make receivers and trigger housings which were sent to the Saginaw Plant for assembly. Ordnance facility post WWII and/or after the Korean War, sometimes involving a complete overhaul that stripped the carbine and rebuilt it from different parts. There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. Some of these blocks were split up and used before or after other blocks. During the first half of production the barrels were often mounted on a receiver within 1-2 months of when the barrel was made. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. The M1 Garand was a fantastic rifle. It was reliable, accurate, and powerful. And it was a semi-automatic service rifle in a time when almost every powerful nation was issuing bolt action rifles. If you want to find out more, heres a video that discusses why it was such a great rifle: subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. then allowed to dry. The example on the bottom of the handgrip (below) shows the circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle over stamped with an Ordnance rebuild P. Carbines having been rebuilt more than once will sometimes have We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. Box, Paperwork & Accessories:There is no magazine. Get Guns.com offers and news!! I've had this M1 Carbine for about 20-years. A circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle stamped in the bottom of the handgrip (above left) was sometimes used as a proof mark at several prime contractor facilities to indicate a completed carbine Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. I just picked up a sear marked "XI". U.S. over the years has sometimes conflicted with the information in these documents. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left which is consistent with Saginaw SG and others (page 29). Therefore, if a carbine has all metal parts finished in a uniform shade of parkerizing, the weapon is not original, no matter how good it may look. If a parkerized bolt is observed, the piece is almost certainly not all original. Click Here to view our Gunbroker page! It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. The stock was also replaced and has no proof markings. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. No import markings. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. Irwin-Pedersendid not produce barrels. block in the same time frame. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. Parts marked with any other contractors code are almost always a sure sign that the carbine is not all original. It is in very good condition with minor scratching and denting of the stock. Skip to the beginning of the images gallery, 73 Plank Ave Paoli, Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. another state. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). If you own one of these carbines and would like to assist with the The stock is excellent with a few minor dings and scratches here and there, most noticeable on the bottom edge of the butt stock. Make: Saginaw SG. A few stock and/or carbine restoration It appears to read S. When CMP had a bunch of M1 Carbine for sale that were from Spain or Italy I bought one and it is a Saginaw. More pics on my later response. Used early in production. Collector references books such as my Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine and Larry Ruths excellent War Baby books are recommended for anyone wishing to explore the subject in greater depth. fire carbines like the M2's. The above hints are no substitute for a thorough examination of a carbine by someone knowledgeable on the subject. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local Location: The People's Glorious Republik of Southern Kalifornistan. had passed inspection. Need Help Identifying Marks and value on My New SG M1. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked S.G. or SG. M1 Carbine Production Dates * All dates and serial numbers are approximate * MFG Month Year Ending Serial # Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM November 1941 5 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. December 1941 10 Inland - Inland Manufacturing Division of GM May 1942 999999 WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms Co. September 1942 1349999 The letters were followed by Shortages were common The Carbine Collectors Club. Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. Our goal is to encourage collectors by providing honest descriptions, fair prices, and the best customer service. Saginaw M1 Carbine .30 Carbine Semi-Auto Rifle Blue Sky Import - C&R - 12500203. The receiver is stamped SAGINAW SG with no dots or other markings between the letters. The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. Simi Valley, CA 93065. Everything Stamper G.S. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. Waste of time. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B The desirable and hard to find original M1A1 folding stock paratrooper carbines are particularly prone to faking and the above books should be consulted before any purchase of such a carbine is consummated. Not a government agency to spot is about 2-300, https:.... 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